Tony Cummings spoke to Melbourne-based singer, songwriter and guitarist ANDI HILLMAN

Andi: "No, my wife and I planted a church."

Tony: What's that church called?

Andi: "We are still working out a name!"

Tony: So the church with no name! That's an interesting one.

Andi: "Yeah, it's getting back to the heart of the Gospel and living as a family on mission to Jesus."

Tony: Living on the edge like that, that's putting a lot of pressure on you and your wife, isn't it?

Andi: "We've got a great team around us, great team leaders, and we're very much a church that seems to have attracted a whole bunch of leaders. We have a real vision to see our church multiply across Melbourne and new churches formed. We just see how God's really brought together the team and the leaders to see that happen."

Tony: So although it's a new church plant without a name, you've got more than one leader?

Andi: "Yeah. My wife and I and another couple, particularly, then we've got two or three other couples who are really key to our church community."

Tony: That sounds like you've got a good foundation stone there. Unfortunately, in recent years, America and Australia have become obsessed with the concept of the megachurch. What are your feelings about megachurches?

Andi: "They have a place, I guess. We see the local, small nucleus of believers coming together as the real crux of who we are as a church and the best kind of space to be discipled and be on missions together, to have a shared mission space. We're out engaging with the people and the potential harvest who don't know Jesus. It's just our belief that we see a local host church or a small community as the best space to see that happen and for that to multiply easily and readily. Yeah, there's some real positives with the megachurches, resource-wise and manpower-wise, but it often short-circuits the vocations of disciples pretty quickly."

Tony: Now what about your musical background?

Andi: "At about 18 I picked up a guitar. My sister taught me a couple of chords and I taught myself, really learning how to play the guitar so I could write songs to get the emotions out that I was feeling back then, pretty dark emotions before I met Jesus. Then it went on from there."

Tony: When you started involving yourself deeply in actual ministry and mission, was part of your function in that ministry, alongside preaching and teaching, being a worship leader?