Mike Rimmer interviewed CHARLES NORMAN back in 2010 about the controversial Fallen Angel documentary
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Mike: She was with you and the band Q.Stone in Scandinavia October-November 1988.
Charles: I wasn't in Scandinavia. I went to Helsinki, then I went to Tallinn. I wasn't on that tour. I was in Finland and Estonia, but that's not a tour, that's two dates. Larry's tour was like six weeks long. When I talked to Jennifer on the phone I said, 'When are you claiming you got pregnant?' She said, 'After Finland. Right after the gig in Estonia, Larry and I went to England.' I said, 'Really? You went straight from Helsinki to England?' She said, 'Yes. We were there for several weeks, and that's when I got pregnant.' I said, 'That's really interesting, because that's not what happened with Larry. Larry and I stayed in Helsinki for a week, week and a half - we were very sick. Then we ended up in Sweden, and Larry and I were in Sweden for three or four weeks after that. Larry didn't go to England.' When I pointed that out to her, she said, 'Maybe it was another time.' That's what I keep on getting from her. This open letter she wrote to the media said she was on a six-week tour of Russia - or 10-week tour, something like that - and I pointed out there's no such thing. Larry and I never did a 10-week tour of Russia. Then she changed her story again.
Mike: She was on the dates in Finland and Estonia, and Daniel was born July '89, nine months later, so biologically it is very possible.
Charles: Time-wise, it's possible.
Mike: When did you first hear about Daniel Robinson?
Charles: I don't know, several years ago. I heard a rumour in Holland, years ago. There's a rumour that Larry had a child in Australia, and I said, 'OK, there's lots of rumours about all sorts of wacky stuff.' But I didn't talk to Jennifer until right after Larry died. Larry had demanded a DNA test. When Daniel was like 15 or 16 years old, Larry had been sending him emails and birthday presents, so Larry finally wrote to Daniel and said, 'You're old enough to now to know the truth, and you need to talk to your mom about this. You're not my son, and you can't keep on writing letters to me saying, Dad. We need to get a DNA test.' So Larry repeatedly demanded a DNA test, and that went nowhere. They say that that didn't happen; I have the emails that prove it did happen, and Daniel responded to Larry - so there was correspondence there. There's no way to fake what's called the long-header in an email. Every single email has a unique identifying number. I've got those emails, and if they want to contest that, say that Larry never demanded a DNA test, I can show them the emails.
Mike: There's still a boy who thinks Larry Norman is his father. Why not have the DNA test?
Charles: Let the DNA test happen with who? With me? Obviously Larry's gone.
Mike: What about Larry's son Michael?
Charles: I don't know. What would that be, a sibling test? I only know about an avuncular test. They've asked me. In fact, the Wallaces sued me for a DNA test. They wanted a peek inside Larry's will to see how much money Larry left behind, and they also wanted to establish paternity. A judge let that case go, he said, 'Done'. It was rejected by the courts. They can sue Mike Norman next if they want to, but I'm the one they sued, I'm the one they requested a DNA test from, and my answer is, 'No'. DNA is the most private thing. People think that DNA is a magic thing that can give results in five seconds, because they've been watching it on Crimewatch on television or something - but DNA is pretty complicated. An avuncular DNA test, which would be me, the uncle, taking the test, is inconclusive. Also, there are no privacy laws, like there are with medical health records. There are no DNA privacy laws. So if I submitted to a DNA test, where does that DNA information go? It sits in a laboratory somewhere. It can be accessed by insurance companies, and there have been cases like this. Look up dangers of DNA testing, and you'll find magazine articles from Time and Newsweek talking about the dangers. An insurance company can get a hold of your DNA evidence, see if there's any medical problems in your future, based on your DNA, and they can cancel your insurance, or decide not to cover something you're prone to. There are no laws protecting people's privacy when it comes to DNA. I'm not going to give my DNA out: it's not my problem. Larry demanded a DNA test, and they missed the boat on that one.
Mike: Why did Larry mention Daniel in his last will?
Charles: There's a boilerplate thing that happens when you go to an attorney to draw-up a will or a trust, they don't sit there with a pen and a blank piece of paper and say, 'Let's scratch out a will'. They use what's called a boilerplate, which is a will that's already done, and they just customise it to you. Family members were there when Larry was making this out. There's two pages in the will that covers everything that someone might possibly have - jewellery, furniture, automobiles, whatever - all this stuff goes into the will, and it should cover everything that anybody could possibly own, so they don't have to write it all out by hand. Then it comes to heirs. They asked, 'How many children do you have?' Larry said, 'One. Michael.' They said, 'OK. Any potential claims that someone else might lay claim to be your child?' This happens all the time. Larry said, 'Yeah, there's a kid in Australia who claims I'm his dad, but I'm not.' They said, 'What's his name?' 'Daniel Robinson.' So they put that in the will: it's a standard question you get asked. If you look up paternity fraud, you'll find thousands of websites - it happens all the time. Watch the Jerry Springer Show.
Mike: How would the DNA test work as Larry offered it? At a clinic, or was Daniel supposed to send DNA to Larry?
Charles: It always has to be done in a clinic: you can't do a DNA test in your living room. Or maybe you can now! I don't understand what that means.