Charles Norman: Talking about Larry Norman and the Fallen Angel documentary

Friday 1st June 2012

Mike Rimmer interviewed CHARLES NORMAN back in 2010 about the controversial Fallen Angel documentary

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Mike: She was with you and the band Q.Stone in Scandinavia October-November 1988.

Charles: I wasn't in Scandinavia. I went to Helsinki, then I went to Tallinn. I wasn't on that tour. I was in Finland and Estonia, but that's not a tour, that's two dates. Larry's tour was like six weeks long. When I talked to Jennifer on the phone I said, 'When are you claiming you got pregnant?' She said, 'After Finland. Right after the gig in Estonia, Larry and I went to England.' I said, 'Really? You went straight from Helsinki to England?' She said, 'Yes. We were there for several weeks, and that's when I got pregnant.' I said, 'That's really interesting, because that's not what happened with Larry. Larry and I stayed in Helsinki for a week, week and a half - we were very sick. Then we ended up in Sweden, and Larry and I were in Sweden for three or four weeks after that. Larry didn't go to England.' When I pointed that out to her, she said, 'Maybe it was another time.' That's what I keep on getting from her. This open letter she wrote to the media said she was on a six-week tour of Russia - or 10-week tour, something like that - and I pointed out there's no such thing. Larry and I never did a 10-week tour of Russia. Then she changed her story again.

Mike: She was on the dates in Finland and Estonia, and Daniel was born July '89, nine months later, so biologically it is very possible.

Charles: Time-wise, it's possible.

Mike: When did you first hear about Daniel Robinson?

Charles: I don't know, several years ago. I heard a rumour in Holland, years ago. There's a rumour that Larry had a child in Australia, and I said, 'OK, there's lots of rumours about all sorts of wacky stuff.' But I didn't talk to Jennifer until right after Larry died. Larry had demanded a DNA test. When Daniel was like 15 or 16 years old, Larry had been sending him emails and birthday presents, so Larry finally wrote to Daniel and said, 'You're old enough to now to know the truth, and you need to talk to your mom about this. You're not my son, and you can't keep on writing letters to me saying, Dad. We need to get a DNA test.' So Larry repeatedly demanded a DNA test, and that went nowhere. They say that that didn't happen; I have the emails that prove it did happen, and Daniel responded to Larry - so there was correspondence there. There's no way to fake what's called the long-header in an email. Every single email has a unique identifying number. I've got those emails, and if they want to contest that, say that Larry never demanded a DNA test, I can show them the emails.

Mike: There's still a boy who thinks Larry Norman is his father. Why not have the DNA test?

Charles: Let the DNA test happen with who? With me? Obviously Larry's gone.

Mike: What about Larry's son Michael?

Charles: I don't know. What would that be, a sibling test? I only know about an avuncular test. They've asked me. In fact, the Wallaces sued me for a DNA test. They wanted a peek inside Larry's will to see how much money Larry left behind, and they also wanted to establish paternity. A judge let that case go, he said, 'Done'. It was rejected by the courts. They can sue Mike Norman next if they want to, but I'm the one they sued, I'm the one they requested a DNA test from, and my answer is, 'No'. DNA is the most private thing. People think that DNA is a magic thing that can give results in five seconds, because they've been watching it on Crimewatch on television or something - but DNA is pretty complicated. An avuncular DNA test, which would be me, the uncle, taking the test, is inconclusive. Also, there are no privacy laws, like there are with medical health records. There are no DNA privacy laws. So if I submitted to a DNA test, where does that DNA information go? It sits in a laboratory somewhere. It can be accessed by insurance companies, and there have been cases like this. Look up dangers of DNA testing, and you'll find magazine articles from Time and Newsweek talking about the dangers. An insurance company can get a hold of your DNA evidence, see if there's any medical problems in your future, based on your DNA, and they can cancel your insurance, or decide not to cover something you're prone to. There are no laws protecting people's privacy when it comes to DNA. I'm not going to give my DNA out: it's not my problem. Larry demanded a DNA test, and they missed the boat on that one.

Larry Norman
Larry Norman

Mike: Why did Larry mention Daniel in his last will?

Charles: There's a boilerplate thing that happens when you go to an attorney to draw-up a will or a trust, they don't sit there with a pen and a blank piece of paper and say, 'Let's scratch out a will'. They use what's called a boilerplate, which is a will that's already done, and they just customise it to you. Family members were there when Larry was making this out. There's two pages in the will that covers everything that someone might possibly have - jewellery, furniture, automobiles, whatever - all this stuff goes into the will, and it should cover everything that anybody could possibly own, so they don't have to write it all out by hand. Then it comes to heirs. They asked, 'How many children do you have?' Larry said, 'One. Michael.' They said, 'OK. Any potential claims that someone else might lay claim to be your child?' This happens all the time. Larry said, 'Yeah, there's a kid in Australia who claims I'm his dad, but I'm not.' They said, 'What's his name?' 'Daniel Robinson.' So they put that in the will: it's a standard question you get asked. If you look up paternity fraud, you'll find thousands of websites - it happens all the time. Watch the Jerry Springer Show.

Mike: How would the DNA test work as Larry offered it? At a clinic, or was Daniel supposed to send DNA to Larry?

Charles: It always has to be done in a clinic: you can't do a DNA test in your living room. Or maybe you can now! I don't understand what that means.

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Reader Comments

Posted by Garret Golhof in Canada @ 04:52 on Dec 20 2019

I met Larry twice and throughout my life his music has Helped me in a closer Walk with God if it was not for the Music i don’t know where I would be in Christ. To this day I still listen and Broadcast his songs on the Radio. It will be a Joy to meet him in Heaven and see what Music he can come up with. Love you Larry see you soon. Garret G

Posted by James Zitzer in Pismo Beach, Ca @ 18:22 on Jan 10 2019

I've been a fan of Larry since I became a Christian in 1973, I enjoyed Randy 1st album only. After seeing many of Larry's friends crucify him after his death sickens me.. I'm reminded of Larry's lyrics on the Stranded in Babylon album,

"I'm only human,everybody knows my sin, they bring it up in conversation again and again. I may have had a broken spirit, i was trying to do my best, and the ones who refuse to forgive me, should just stone me so I can get some rest."

I never really understood to whom he was referring, well now I do. Being accused of faking a heart problem, wow, all the way home.

Posted by Georgia in Connecticut @ 19:12 on Sep 5 2018

I'm sad to see "siblings" fighting, tattling, all that baby stuff. Artist get a bad rap for being self indulged for this very reason. I hope the person/peoples who made this film apologize to Larry's family and firstbto Jesus whose servant Larry was and purportedly they are. It's heartbreaking to see all this. What is grace in the face of all this?

Posted by StevenX in Pacific Beach @ 14:47 on May 18 2018

Wow. How often do you get the chance to stumble onto a cult page?

Posted by Ben Coonen in Huntington Beach, CA @ 05:06 on Aug 8 2017

I have yet to see the movie. I want to be thankful for each believer in Christ, including Larry Norman who has been such a blessing to me with his music and Randy Stonehill, also a wonderful testimony to God's grace through his life and music, and those also who put this film together.

Although, I will remain open to hear what ever is put out there, just having the term "Fallen Angel" connected to the title I have clear missgivings over. Fallen Angels would include Lucifer and those who followed him in rebellion against God. I don't believe there is redemption for them.

To link Larry Norman to such a status as that, I find highly suspect. I have read some of David DiSabatino's words. He suggests this movie is done for a just or noble cause.(

It's very hard for me to imagine that he knows for a fact that Larry Norman will not be redeemed. To color this "(so called) documentary in that language logically speaking would only be proper if it were accurate. If your motivation is that you are hard pressed to get the truth out, being inaccurate and being so flagrant by condemning in this manner baffles me, and casts doubt on the accuracy of the movie and the purity of his motives.

Is he making money off this documentary or are all the profits being donated?

If he has profited off of the movie than that would further raise my suspicions.

Posted by Mike Chivalette in Kansas @ 15:10 on Jul 27 2017

I grew up with the Jesus movement and first heard Larry Norman at Expo 72 in Dallas. I found his vinyl for $1.80 and trust me....the lyrics depict a person with a transformed life. God only knows the sins we hide from others but one thing is clear...those who made this documentary after his death are both cowardly and godless in their endeavor to promote their shameful ways. Matthew 18: 15-17 speaks clearly to this. God knew Larry's heart and I trust Larry knew Jesus as he proclaimed through his music.

Posted by Joe in Florida @ 16:06 on May 16 2017

The people that made this movie did it for no other reason than jealousy.

The truth is Larry Norman will probably go down as the most Famous and influential Christian Musician Ever.

The people on this documentary who are making claims that he committed "Sins" are laughable .. Jesus says he who is without Sin cast the first I guess they must be blameless in their own site but not Gods because Jealousy and slander are sins.

They go so far out of their way to throw stones at a Dead man all the while claiming it is for Christian purposes? Really... to do what? They are not fooling anyone.

It is clear they are so salty about the fact they never really gained the fame or had the impact on the world that Larry did. They have never let it go and harbor a really tremendous amount of jealousy.

Posted by Tim in Oklahoma @ 05:13 on Dec 24 2016

What was the purpose of the film? Revenge?

I find that when two people are telling two versions of the same story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle or nowhere at all. That said, I have no allegiance to Larry Norman, Randy Stonehill, or anybody else featured in the film. I listened to Randy Stonehill back in the day but didn't become familiar with Larry Norman until the mid to late 90's. So my question remains; what in the world was the purpose of this movie?

As I sat and watched the film, I was certainly disappointed (though not entirely shocked) at the stories of Larry's actions, but I had an absolute pit in my stomach over the fact that a guy like Randy Stonehill (along with some of the others) would agree to sit down like that and take shots at the guy in interviews. This wasn't a calling to account. This was just gossip and revenge. I don't get that at all. ???

Posted by Ian Steward in Weston Super Mare Uk @ 19:03 on Sep 28 2016

I am so grateful to Larry Norman for his music and giving up a career of millions for his faith. Whilst being on the same bill as Joplin, The Doors, Hendrix etc he could of ,like all rock stars gone down the road of sex, drugs n rock n roll and make lots of money and no one would of thought anything of it. But instead he sang about Christ with creative rock, blues,and acoustic rock with creative song writing, only to receive rejection from the church as they thought rock n roll n long hair was evil and rejection from the world as they thought it was to 'christian' although respecting his talents. What he achieved is incredible considering those times in the early 70's. I was 14 years old when my sister brought home In Another Land, there were no record shops where I lived in a country village with cows n fields, there was no Christian music much good or relevent to the times to listen to. I must of played The Rock that doesnt roll , And why dont you look into Jesus of the record they blow me away, with scorching Jon Linn solos. I now play Rock that Doesnt Roll in a band im in in a selection of blues rock songs we play. I say to the sad critics of Larry Norman, he reached thousands of people with the gospel through creative rock.blues and songwriting,on his own stepping out, more than you ever will, when all you can do is make a sad film to make a few bucks out of, when you could of put that money into a film to spread the gospel as Larry Norman did through his music. And just in case you hav'nt read the Bible, The Lord said, He who is without sin cast the first stone. Larry Norman, I salute you

Posted by weather in nashville @ 12:26 on May 14 2016

I remember about 1992, finding a vinyl of Only Visiting this Planet in a Goodwill store in Springfield Oregon. Took it home, first song...."sipping whiskey from a paper cup...." it was magic to my ears, being a dead head now born again since 87, wow! Finally some christian music that had the vibe I wanted.
Larry could have been a majorly huge secular success. He was at the right place at the right time, but chose to serve Jesus with his artistry. I also know the many ways the demons work, to smear people thru resources of notariety. In the end, it will all be revealed who is who.
BTW, Charlie doesn't need a DNA because the accusers are not God judge and jury. I can't understand why people would be so enfactuated about the life of another. Do they not have a life of their own to live? How do they make the time for all of that of the past?

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